{"id":17641,"date":"2016-11-10T05:20:13","date_gmt":"2016-11-10T02:20:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/?p=17641"},"modified":"2018-05-15T18:58:19","modified_gmt":"2018-05-15T15:58:19","slug":"cloud-foundry-advisory-board-meeting-november-2016-diego-containers-and-persistence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/cloud-foundry-advisory-board-meeting-november-2016-diego-containers-and-persistence\/","title":{"rendered":"Cloud Foundry Advisory Board Meeting, Nov 2016: Diego, Containers, and Persistence"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_82_2 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-transparent ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/cloud-foundry-advisory-board-meeting-november-2016-diego-containers-and-persistence\/#This_months_worries\" >This month&#8217;s worries<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/cloud-foundry-advisory-board-meeting-november-2016-diego-containers-and-persistence\/#Diego_is_very_close_to_10\" >Diego is very close to 1.0<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/cloud-foundry-advisory-board-meeting-november-2016-diego-containers-and-persistence\/#Try_to_contain_this\" >Try to contain this<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/cloud-foundry-advisory-board-meeting-november-2016-diego-containers-and-persistence\/#Be_persistent\" >Be persistent<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/cloud-foundry-advisory-board-meeting-november-2016-diego-containers-and-persistence\/#To_BOSH_or_not%E2%80%A6\" >To BOSH or not&#8230;<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"This_months_worries\"><\/span>This month&#8217;s worries<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<div id=\"attachment_11433\" style=\"width: 160px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/Michael-Maximilien.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-11433\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/Michael-Maximilien-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Dr. Max\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-11433\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-11433\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><small>Dr. Max<\/small><\/p><\/div>\u201cCloud Foundry is alive, well, and kicking, and we need to get more people involved, so we can have a broader reach.\u201d Thus stated IBM&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/drmaximilien\" target=\"_blank\">Michael Maximilien <\/a>(aka Dr. Max), leader of the monthly Cloud Foundry Community Advisory Board (CAB) calls. Dr. Max&#8217;s remarks came at the end of the call. He also urged attendees to \u201ctweet about what you heard today. It&#8217;s interesting and we can create a little more buzz.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Indeed, there were three topics of broad interest featured during this month&#8217;s call on November 9:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>a Diego update<\/li>\n<li>a container networking update<\/li>\n<li>a long discussion about persistence<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Diego_is_very_close_to_10\"><\/span>Diego is very close to 1.0<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<div id=\"attachment_11430\" style=\"width: 160px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/Eric-Malm.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-11430\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/Eric-Malm-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Eric Malm\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-11430\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-11430\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><small>Eric Malm<\/small><\/p><\/div><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/eric-malm-a3554117\" target=\"_blank\">Eric Malm<\/a> from Pivotal discussed Diego, which has now successfully run in a <a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/spreadsheets\/d\/1J7MdPIvBEZzn98TzBt8_QZyB115nyCKWjIMO59EXdtU\/edit#gid=1650756635\" target=\"_blank\">large environment<\/a> with <strong>200K<\/strong> Cloud Foundry apps and <strong>250K<\/strong> instances. This is a significant follow-up announcement from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/cloud-foundry-advisory-board-meeting-oct-2016-cultivating-non-core-projects\/\" target=\"_blank\">last month&#8217;s call<\/a>, during which Eric announced a successful 50K-instance run.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe&#8217;re finishing the long trek to coming to Diego 1.0 being able to replace DEA (the current Cloud Foundry architecture) everywhere, and are hoping to cut the actual 1.0 version soon,\u201d Eric noted.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Try_to_contain_this\"><\/span>Try to contain this<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<div id=\"attachment_15153\" style=\"width: 160px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/Usha-Ramachandran.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-15153\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/Usha-Ramachandran-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Usha Ramachandran\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-15153\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-15153\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><small>Usha Ramachandran<\/small><\/p><\/div><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/rusha\" target=\"_blank\">Usha Ramachandran<\/a>, a project manager for container networking, also gave a significant update. She described a CNI-based  pluggable container networking stack that allows containers to talk directly among themselves. (<strong>Note:<\/strong> CNI stands for <a href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/containernetworking\/cni\" target=\"_blank\">Container Networking Interface<\/a> and was originally put forth by CoreOS.)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;An &#8216;app A&#8217; can now talk to an &#8216;app B&#8217; on this protocol, with no port mapping required.\u201d \u2014Usha Ramachandran, Pivotal<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>When asked about the use of overlay networks, she noted that the CNI plug-in can be swapped out for something different, \u201cmaybe an SDN-based CNI plug-in, for example.\u201d She said the path through the CF Go Router is still the same, and \u201capplication security groups continue to work as is, though they will be folded into policy enforcement at some time in the future.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Max asked her about the extent of policy language, to which she replied that it was very simple. &#8220;Cloud Foundry gives access to protocols and ports, and that&#8217;s the extent of the configuration. A <em>list command<\/em> gives you all policies that are enforced, and a <em>delete command<\/em>. This is enabled through a CLI (command-line interface) plug-in. We also have APIs you can use to configure them,\u201d said Usha.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><\/em>&#8220;We wanted something powerful to express simple policies without a complicated set of rules.&#8221; \u2014Usha Ramachandran, Pivotal<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>According to Usha, the basic idea was to be very specific, so that default is deny root and then one starts to specify and enable. The underlying implementation uses IP tables, so then one creates an IP table rule within a VN packet.<\/p>\n<p>Containers are, of course, all the rage within cloud-computing discussions today, and Dr. Max said the recent developments \u201cbring Cloud Foundry to a level of competition to any other cloud platform out there.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Be_persistent\"><\/span>Be persistent<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<div id=\"attachment_17657\" style=\"width: 160px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/Julian-Hjortshoj-emc-v2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-17657\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/Julian-Hjortshoj-emc-v2-150x150.png\" alt=\"Julian Hjortshoj\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-17657\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-17657\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><small>Julian Hjortshoj<\/small><\/p><\/div>\n<p>The discussion then moved on to persistence, led by project manager <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/julian-hjortshoj-731323\" target=\"_blank\">Julian Hjortshoj<\/a> of EMC. He described <a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1A1PVnwB7wdzrWq2ZTjNrDFULlmyTUSsOuWeih8kdUtw\/edit#heading=h.vfuwctflv5u2\" target=\"_blank\">Diego persistence<\/a> \u201cas a set of plumbing changes to allow Docker volume plug-ins to mount external file systems to Diego cells to use Cloud Foundry apps.\u201d He added that there is an additional plumbing for service broker and a bind to apps. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cShared file systems act like services, just like any other data resource,\u201d he said. \u201cIt&#8217;s been around in experimental form in Pivotal CF 1.8, Diego 1381, and cf 238. So, it&#8217;s probably available in the versions most people are using, at least in test environments.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>He added that \u201cminor changes force us to have slight incompatibilities with service brokers in the current version, but service brokers we&#8217;ve built have backward compatibility, and Cloud Foundry itself  has a compatibility path. So, it&#8217;s ready to consume today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>GA for it was announced at the recent <a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/top-100-quotes-from-the-cloud-foundry-summit-europe-2016\/\">Cloud Foundry Summit in Frankfurt<\/a>, and \u201cthere&#8217;s been a lot of refining since then,\u201d Julian said. \u201cWe&#8217;re making sure our volume drivers are deployable as a BOSH add-on. With the latest BOSH release we can filter add-ons to specify that jobs in a runtime config will only get placed on virtual machines that are running a certain job for certain deployments. So, you can target Diego cells specifically.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>He also noted the persistence team was working with the cf-dev team to get a local driver in cf-dev, to bypass the current method of having to run BOSH Light on top of Cloud Foundry. <\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>This is major. It puts Cloud Foundry in a position where you have just a file system, without changes.\u201d \u2014Dr. Max, IBM<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Julian agreed, noting \u201cthis addresses a class of apps that couldn&#8217;t run previously in Cloud Foundry because they required a file server, and now they can.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He continued, \u201cWithin legacy systems there will be some well-behaved 12-factor apps, and for them this is a good thing. Volume services are perfect for many old apps, and there&#8217;s no real reason something use a file system can&#8217;t be a 12-factor app. There should be a class of legacy apps that can move into Cloud Foundry without rewrites.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"To_BOSH_or_not%E2%80%A6\"><\/span>To BOSH or not&#8230;<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Another discussion during the call referenced a lively, ongoing discussion within the Cloud Foundry <a href=\"https:\/\/lists.cloudfoundry.org\/g\/cf-dev\" target=\"_blank\">mailing lists<\/a> about an initial announcement to require BOSH as part of 2017 Cloud Foundry certifications, which are administered by the Cloud Foundry Foundation. Companies wishing to have a certified distro must renew each year. <\/p>\n<p>The crux of the argument is whether having a strict BOSH requirement is an overreach by the CF Foundation (given the traditionally free and open zeitgeist of open-source software movements) that could potentially lock newer vendors out.<\/p>\n<p>In the end, it&#8217;s likely the BOSH requirement will be removed. Time will tell if that influences the number of distros submitted and approved for 2017 certification. <\/p>\n<p>The next call is scheduled for Wednesday, December 14, at 8 a.m. Pacific Time. The call is open to anyone who would like to attend, and all attendees are free to contribute to the discussion. The best way to get in the loop is to join the Cloud Foundry <a href=\"https:\/\/cloudfoundry.slack.com\/messages\/cab\/team\/uramachandran\/\" target=\"_blank\">Slack channel<\/a> and follow the #CAB track.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This month&#8217;s worries<\/p>\n<p id=\"caption-attachment-11433\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dr. Max<\/p>\n<p>\u201cCloud Foundry is alive, well, and kicking, and we need to get more people involved, so we can have a broader reach.\u201d Thus stated IBM&#8217;s Michael Maximilien (aka Dr. Max), leader of the monthly Cloud Foundry Community Advisory Board (CAB) calls. 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