{"id":14697,"date":"2016-12-21T13:41:16","date_gmt":"2016-12-21T10:41:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/?p=14697"},"modified":"2019-06-18T20:00:55","modified_gmt":"2019-06-18T17:00:55","slug":"warner-music-migrates-its-cloud-foundry-deployment-from-openstack-to-aws","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/warner-music-migrates-its-cloud-foundry-deployment-from-openstack-to-aws\/","title":{"rendered":"Warner Music Migrates Its Cloud Foundry Deployment from OpenStack to AWS"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>WMG&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/adamchesterton\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Adam Chesterton<\/a> and Altoros&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/renatco\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Renat Khasanshyn<\/a> discussed the move during a session at the Cloud Foundry Summit 2016 in Santa Clara, CA.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_79_2 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-transparent ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/warner-music-migrates-its-cloud-foundry-deployment-from-openstack-to-aws\/#Issues_faced_with_a_hybrid_cloud\" >Issues faced with a hybrid cloud<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/warner-music-migrates-its-cloud-foundry-deployment-from-openstack-to-aws\/#Hit_the_reset_button\" >Hit the reset button<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/warner-music-migrates-its-cloud-foundry-deployment-from-openstack-to-aws\/#Lessons_learned\" >Lessons learned<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/warner-music-migrates-its-cloud-foundry-deployment-from-openstack-to-aws\/#Related_reading\" >Related reading<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/warner-music-migrates-its-cloud-foundry-deployment-from-openstack-to-aws\/#Want_details_Watch_the_video\" >Want details? Watch the video!<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/warner-music-migrates-its-cloud-foundry-deployment-from-openstack-to-aws\/#Related_slides\" >Related slides<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-7\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/warner-music-migrates-its-cloud-foundry-deployment-from-openstack-to-aws\/#About_the_speakers\" >About the speakers<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Issues_faced_with_a_hybrid_cloud\"><\/span>Issues faced with a hybrid cloud<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<div id=\"attachment_14704\" style=\"width: 210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-14704\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Adam-Chesterton-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"Adam Chesterton\" width=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-14704\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-14704\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><small>Adam Chesterton, WMG<\/small><\/p><\/div>\n<p>Warner Music Group (WMG) <a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/warner-music-builds-software-factory-with-cloud-foundry\/\">started using Cloud Foundry<\/a> in 2011, and they&#8217;re \u201cstill one of the largest organizations using the community version for production workloads,\u201d according to Adam Chesterton. Apps were deployed over BOSH onto OpenStack, with WMG beginning its journey with multiple cloud providers, some public and some private.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThen something happened,\u201d Adam said, in getting workloads to the OpenStack environment. &#8220;We managed to crack the way to rapidly build, test, and deploy code into Cloud Foundry, but we started to experience some issues.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Renat outlined several of the issues that arose:<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_15410\" style=\"width: 210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Renat-Khasanshyn.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-15410\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-15410\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Renat-Khasanshyn.jpg\" alt=\"Renat Khasanshyn\" width=\"200\" class=\"size-full wp-image-15410\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-15410\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><small>Renat Khasanshyn, Altoros<\/small><\/p><\/div>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">Environments were not as reliable as hoped.<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">Inconsistency of the OpenStack API into BOSH. &#8220;We would request 10 virtual machines, for example, but sometimes get two or none at all.\u201d<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">Random, inconsistent timeouts were occurring. HTTP calls being made and acknowledged, but nothing returned.<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">Couldn&#8217;t get access to hardware logs (the managed OpenStack provider could not provide them), which lead to prolonged troubleshooting and discovery. So, it was very unclear where the problems lay, and the team needed full end-to-end visibility.<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">Renat also noted that Cloud Foundry allows users to set up identical environments at the application level. \u201cBut the environments were not the same,\u201d he said. \u201cAs we moved code from development to production, we found that we weren&#8217;t testing the same thing.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;The key problem that we had was that we could not get consistent results.&#8221;<br \/>\n\u2014Renat Khasanshyn, CEO, Altoros<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201cSo, we needed to go one way or another,\u201d Adam added. \u201cWe did not have a compelling reason to stick with our model.\u201d In contrast, referring to recent improvements in the AWS offering, Andrew noted that security awareness was growing, pricing models improved since WMG had implemented OpenStack, and AWS reliability also got better.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/WMG-public-cloud-growth.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-15469\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/WMG-public-cloud-growth.jpg\" alt=\"WMG public cloud growth\" width=\"640\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-15469\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Hit_the_reset_button\"><\/span>Hit the reset button<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>The team started with a comparison of public vs. private cloud options. The business issue for WMG became, \u201cdo you become over-cautious about deliverables, which goes against what Cloud Foundry can promise? Or do you take a risk (with the potential to create) a sticky situation with your business holders?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Adam and the team decided to take the risk, confident that the Cloud Foundry platform could deliver for them on AWS. They took several next steps to make the migration work:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Developed a single, consistent strategy by working with both internal and AWS architects.<\/li>\n<li>Focused on automation. &#8220;We built out a foundation, then used BOSH on top of it to deploy the apps and to do so across all of our environments.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Got recommendations from security partners. &#8220;We found there were many options in this space. This was a really big factor.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Migrated from an EC2 dev environment, built everything from scratch.<\/li>\n<li>Developed upgrade path for eventual migration to Cloud Foundry Diego.<\/li>\n<li>Building resiliency for a multi-zone model.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>By then committing fully to AWS and being judicious in its use of reserved and spot instances to control costs, WMG was soon able to keep its promises to its line-of-business users and strengthen its SLAs, Adam said. \u201cWe did a pause and a reset. It was becoming hard to predict the unknown, and the hybrid environment was impacting us setting our deadlines for business.\u201d <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/WMG-cloud-comparison.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-15470\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/WMG-cloud-comparison.jpg\" alt=\"WMG cloud comparison\" width=\"640\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-15470\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>With the migration, &#8220;being able to promise lines of business when they can get their apps into the environment, and what kind of service levels they can expect, is a giant advantage when operating with multiple consumers,&#8221; Renat said. \u201cAs a result, the price we were willing to pay to get that expectation of availability was much higher than we were originally willing to pay.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In the end, \u201cWe accomplished what we wanted to accomplish,\u201d he said. \u201cWe removed random unknowns, so we can be more accurate in setting business expectations.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Lessons_learned\"><\/span>Lessons learned<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Neverthelss, the team found out that not all of the assumptions appeared to be true during the migration. For instance, &#8220;there are actual physical capacity limits on compute resources that you can use without having to talk to people. With a private cloud, the elasticity you have paid for is guaranteed. However, time to provision and terms for new capacity can be significantly longer than in a public cloud.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Elasticity is not guaranteed in a public cloud.&#8221; \u2014Renat Khasanshyn, CEO, Altoros<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For their Cloud Foundry Summit session, Adam and Renat have put together a data sheet covering the major issues that arose on the way to using AWS public cloud on Cloud Foundry.<\/p>\n<p>The sheet provides an overview of 5 successful processes (or patterns) and their sibling 5 anti-patterns. In addition, it contains a Top 10 tips list that are related to detailed problems and solutions the team faced and solved.<\/p>\n<p>Visit <a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/visuals\/pattern-and-anti-patterns-when-operating-cloud-foundry-in-a-private-public-cloud\/\">this page<\/a> to get the document.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Related_reading\"><\/span>Related reading<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/warner-music-builds-software-factory-with-cloud-foundry\/\">Warner Music Builds a Software Factory with Cloud Foundry<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/digital-transformation-using-cloud-foundry-what-works-and-what-doesnt-recap\/\">Digital Transformation Using Cloud Foundry\u2014What Works and What Doesn\u2019t<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/visuals\/pattern-and-anti-patterns-when-operating-cloud-foundry-in-a-private-public-cloud\/\">Patterns and Anti-Patterns when Operating Cloud Foundry in Public and Private Clouds<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Want_details_Watch_the_video\"><\/span>Want details? Watch the video!<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<table width=\"100%\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div style=\"float:right; width:50%; padding-left:15px; font-size:14px;\">\n<strong>Table of contents<\/strong><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 12px;\">Inconsistency issues faced with OpenStack and BOSH (2:54)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 12px;\">OpenStack problems causing errors and timeouts (5:53)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 12px;\">Rethinking the hybrid cloud strategy (7:45)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 12px;\">WMG sees improved security and reliability with public cloud (9:19)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 12px;\">Public cloud vs. private cloud comparison (10:34)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 12px;\">Rebuilding from the ground up using public cloud (13:16)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 12px;\">Lessons learned in the migration (15:30)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 12px;\">Cutting costs with public cloud (17:45)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 12px;\">Elasticity is not guaranteed in a public cloud (20:23)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 12px;\">Questions and answers (24:41)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"video-container\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Warner Music Group&#039;s Journey from Private to Public Cloud - Adam Chesterton &amp; Renat Khasanshyn\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/htr1CxyZk0c?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Related_slides\"><\/span>Related slides<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<p><center><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/\/www.slideshare.net\/slideshow\/embed_code\/key\/dr2tYDB5cjQEMi\" width=\"595\" height=\"485\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" style=\"border:1px solid #CCC; border-width:1px; margin-bottom:5px; max-width: 100%;\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/center><\/p>\n<hr\/>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"About_the_speakers\"><\/span>About the speakers<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<div>\n<div style=\"float: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/adamchesterton\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Adam-Chesterton-WMG-bio.png\" alt=\"Adam Chesterton, WMG bio\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-15383\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"width: 600px;\"><small><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/adamchesterton\">Adam Chesterton<\/a> manages and leads the Application Development, Infrastructure, and Quality Assurance teams within WMG Technology, including both onshore and offshore engineering resources. He is responsible for development, support, infrastructure, and testing of multiple internal business apps: artist analytics, tour scheduling, mobile, licensing, etc., as well as 3rd-party services (such as YouTube API integration). The entire infrastructure and services are built to fully utilize Cloud Foundry as a PaaS, allowing rapid development and deployment using containers and ansible playbooks to maintain consistency across both private and public cloud offerings.<\/small><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div style=\"float: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/renatco\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/Renat-Khasanshyn-CEO-Altoros-bio.png\" alt=\"Renat Khasanshyn CEO Altoros bio\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-14560\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"width: 600px;\"><small><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/renatco\/\">Renat Khasanshyn<\/a> is the founder and CEO of Altoros, and Venture Partner at Runa Capital. He helps define Altoros\u2019s strategic vision, and its role in Cloud Foundry PaaS ecosystem. In the past, he has been selected as finalist for the Emerging Executive of the Year award by the Massachusetts Technology Leadership Council and once won an IBM Business Mashup Challenge. 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