{"id":12604,"date":"2016-03-04T10:17:01","date_gmt":"2016-03-04T07:17:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/?p=12604"},"modified":"2018-02-15T21:43:35","modified_gmt":"2018-02-15T18:43:35","slug":"how-can-we-get-enterprise-developers-fired-up-about-cloud-foundry","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/how-can-we-get-enterprise-developers-fired-up-about-cloud-foundry\/","title":{"rendered":"How Can We Get Enterprise Developers Fired Up About Cloud Foundry?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>At the CF Beat year-end panel, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/renatco\/\" target=\"_blank\">Renat Khasanshyn<\/a> of Altoros welcomed <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/rpl111\" target=\"_blank\">Roger Levy<\/a> of MariaDB, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/rubinalex\" target=\"_blank\">Alex Rubin<\/a> of IBM, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/sxgarg\" target=\"_blank\">Sachin Garg<\/a> of Adobe. They discussed the challenges and opportunities of Cloud Foundry adoption within enterprise, how to trigger developers\u2019 interest towards CF, what the reasons for developer resistance are, etc.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_82_2 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-transparent ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/how-can-we-get-enterprise-developers-fired-up-about-cloud-foundry\/#Knowledge_and_whiskey\" >Knowledge and whiskey<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/how-can-we-get-enterprise-developers-fired-up-about-cloud-foundry\/#Dock_with_Docker\" >Dock with Docker<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/how-can-we-get-enterprise-developers-fired-up-about-cloud-foundry\/#Who_are_our_friends\" >Who are our friends?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/how-can-we-get-enterprise-developers-fired-up-about-cloud-foundry\/#The_roadmap\" >The roadmap<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/how-can-we-get-enterprise-developers-fired-up-about-cloud-foundry\/#Want_more_details_Watch_the_full_video\" >Want more details? Watch the full video!<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/how-can-we-get-enterprise-developers-fired-up-about-cloud-foundry\/#Related_reading\" >Related reading<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Knowledge_and_whiskey\"><\/span>Knowledge and whiskey<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Renat started the discussion in a rather ominous way, noting that \u201cthe majority of enterprise developers don&#8217;t know what Cloud Foundry is. How can we solve this problem within the enterprise, so we can have developers getting started on it, so that initiative comes from the developers and not from the top?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Roger echoed the concern by stating, \u201cfrom my own experience with apps, it really requires the developers. There&#8217;s education evangelism and the more you can get developers educated to understand why it\u2019s to their benefit, the better.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere is developer resistance, though. Developers are a breed, and I probably still am one. So, (sometimes) we have resistance for things that put guardrails or bumpers on things when we can&#8217;t do everything exactly the way we want, we can&#8217;t optimize it exactly the way we want.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cSo, I think there&#8217;s a lot of education to be done to show examples of what you can achieve by having the type of platform approach that Cloud Foundry brings. If that fails I&#8217;ve got a lot of requests for a future whiskey-as-a-service.\u201d \u2014Roger Levy, MariaDB<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In the spirit of this holiday meetup\/party, his comment led to many raised glasses.<\/p>\n<p>IBM is one of the prime movers of enterprise IT in general and Cloud Foundry in particular through its Bluemix platform, and Alex was able to report some good news: \u201cI think a lot of the developers that we talked to think that Cloud Foundry is cool. A lot of them really like it once they understand what it does for them. I think they really enjoy using it and being productive very quickly.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He also noted the propensity of many developers to \u201cwant to customize everything. They want to dig deep all the way to the hardware if they can and I think that&#8217;s great and we need those guys as well and if we have those guys contribute to the core project that&#8217;s going to benefit everyone and if they can set that trend then that would be awesome.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><center><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/how-can-we-get-developers-fired-up-about-cloud-foundry.jpg\" alt=\"how-can-we-get-developers-fired-up-about-cloud-foundry\" width=\"640\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12640\" \/><\/center><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Dock_with_Docker\"><\/span>Dock with Docker<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Amplifying on this key point, Sachin noted, \u201cthe biggest thing I see is that developers like being in control. With Cloud Foundry, it feels a bit like they&#8217;re not. That&#8217;s why they love Docker. Docker has given them that control. I think the band between Docker and Cloud Foundry is helping, but if it can get more aligned, it will help.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Who_are_our_friends\"><\/span>Who are our friends?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Renat then moved on to ask who the panelists saw as the biggest allies of Cloud Foundry within the enterprise. \u201cLet&#8217;s say, a large company wants to adopt Cloud Foundry. It needs Cloud Foundry to help digitize its output, digitize its revenue, or become agile, or whatever reason,\u201d he said. \u201cWhen it comes to actually getting to implementation and getting into adoption of different parts of the organization, who do you see within the enterprise as the biggest allies of the project and who do you see as the biggest threats?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn the examples I&#8217;ve seen, it&#8217;s not the usual suspects,\u201d according to Roger. \u201cIt&#8217;s been the business units inside the large enterprises. They get the message\u2014you can get things faster, you can get things better.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey don&#8217;t care how they get IT servers. They care about the results and if they can get it faster and better and not have to get the response of \u2018well, you can have it three years from now because it&#8217;s not in our IT budget\u2019, they become your biggest allies.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Alex agreed, saying he thought \u201cthe business units within the business units are the key people.\u201d They go to conferences and meetups, and they see what Cloud Foundry can do for them.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cThey get very excited about the fact that they can be pretty efficient pretty quickly. They don&#8217;t have the dependence anymore on somebody going out there and spinning up the database for them. Developers love it. They want to develop code or write something that actually means something. They don&#8217;t have to worry about all the underlying construction.\u201d \u2014Alex Rubin, IBM<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Sachin pointed out the importance of architects \u201cbecause Cloud Foundry represents an opportunity for them. Similar to the hybrid cloud, you can move around your payloads to other important locations.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><center><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/how-can-we-get-developers-fired-up-about-the-cloud-foundry-platform.jpg\" alt=\"how-can-we-get-developers-fired-up-about-the-cloud-foundry-platform\" width=\"640\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12685\" \/><\/center><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"The_roadmap\"><\/span>The roadmap<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>So, Renat followed up with a few logical questions: \u201cWhat does it really take to implement Cloud Foundry? What are the stages within the adoption cycle? What are the steps before you can scale up to 100 apps? What&#8217;s the roadmap for someone who is getting started and wants to get to 500 or 1,000 applications? What are the steps that an organization needs to get to?\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cThe biggest challenge with Cloud Foundry in general is that it&#8217;s always been top-down. It\u2019s not like Docker that&#8217;s bottom-up. For us, we started doing internal stuff just to prove to people that this thing works. Once you prove how good it is, then you take it outside, you can say these are the examples, this is how we&#8217;ve done it.\u201d \u2014Sachin Garg, Adobe<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Alex said that \u201cfrom IBM\u2019s standpoint, we have this hybrid cloud vision, so we have multiple deployments. What we see is that customers, when they first come in, they really want to play around. They want to get an understanding of what this is all about, which is of course based on Cloud Foundry.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey (also) want to understand the services. They want to understand how all of this will work and how to fit it within the enterprise. In our hackathons (for example) we&#8217;ll have a bunch of developers do some projects within the environment and see what they come up with in 24 hours or 48 hours and then do a showcase to see what it really does bring to the enterprise. It&#8217;s quite remarkable what folks can do in a pretty short amount of time given that they can easily spin up services and can really get started quickly.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Roger finished the discussion by adding, \u201cthe only thing I&#8217;ll add is not what to do\u2014don&#8217;t just drop it on top of people. That&#8217;s a surefire failure. It really goes back to getting your evangelist, getting your plan, getting your vision. Small wins first and then go from there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Want_more_details_Watch_the_full_video\"><\/span>Want more details? Watch the full video!<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<table width=\"100%\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"video-details-td\">\n<div style=\"float: right; width: 45%; padding-left: 15px; font-size: 14px;\">\n<p><strong>Table of contents<\/strong><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">How to trigger developers\u2019 interest towards Cloud Foundry (within an enterprise scenario)? (<a href=\"#wistia_kfuz80k0dy?time=15\">00&#8217;15&#8221;<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">Why is there developer resistance to Cloud Foundry? (<a href=\"#wistia_kfuz80k0dy?time=159\">2&#8217;39&#8221;<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">Who are the allies of Cloud Foundry within the enterprise? (<a href=\"#wistia_kfuz80k0dy?time=184\">3&#8217;04&#8221;<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">Why business units within the enterprise favor Cloud Foundry? (<a href=\"#wistia_kfuz80k0dy?time=285\">4&#8217;45&#8221;<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">Why do architects favor Cloud Foundry? (<a href=\"#wistia_kfuz80k0dy?time=323\">5&#8217;23&#8221;<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">What are the stages of Cloud Foundry adoption? (<a href=\"#wistia_kfuz80k0dy?time=355\">5&#8217;55&#8221;<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li style=\"margin-bottom: 6px;\">Don&#8217;ts of Cloud Foundry implementation (<a href=\"#wistia_kfuz80k0dy?time=533\">8&#8217;53&#8221;<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<p><script charset=\"ISO-8859-1\" src=\"\/\/fast.wistia.com\/assets\/external\/E-v1.js\" async><\/script><\/p>\n<div class=\"wistia_embed wistia_async_kfuz80k0dy\" style=\"height:320px;width:440px\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Related_reading\"><\/span>Related reading<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/what-changes-a-company-needs-to-adopt-cloud-foundry\/\">What Changes a Company Needs to Adopt Cloud Foundry?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/enterprise-paas-with-cloud-foundry\/\">Enterprise PaaS with Cloud Foundry<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/cf-beat-draws-crowd-examines-the-state-of-cloud-foundry\/\">CF Beat Draws Crowd, Examines the State of Cloud Foundry<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.altoros.com\/blog\/the-beat-goes-on-with-cloud-foundry\/\">The Beat Goes on with Cloud Foundry<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At the CF Beat year-end panel, Renat Khasanshyn of Altoros welcomed Roger Levy of MariaDB, Alex Rubin of IBM, and Sachin Garg of Adobe. 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